{"id":4007,"date":"2026-07-16T17:48:36","date_gmt":"2026-07-16T17:48:36","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/odinteatret.org\/?p=4007"},"modified":"2026-07-19T13:38:34","modified_gmt":"2026-07-19T13:38:34","slug":"fire-with-snow-eugenio-barbas-comments-in-english-francais-italiano-espanol","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/odinteatret.org\/index.php\/2026\/07\/16\/fire-with-snow-eugenio-barbas-comments-in-english-francais-italiano-espanol\/","title":{"rendered":"FIRE WITH SNOW &#8211; Eugenio Barba&#8217;s comments &#8211; in english, fran\u00e7ais, italiano, espa\u00f1ol"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p class=\"has-black-color has-text-color has-link-color has-medium-font-size wp-elements-515d55b9119e14af8e15e1f2c3096c11 wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>English:<\/strong><br><strong>FIRE WITH SNOW<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-black-color has-text-color has-link-color has-small-font-size wp-elements-2a5acd92d5eff1f9a38f7e5240ef1f5a wp-block-paragraph\">I just saw with Julia Varley in Paris <em>Ici sont les dragons. Deuxi\u00e8me \u00e9poque<\/em>, a performance of the Th\u00e9\u00e2tre du Soleil. It&#8217;s fire with snow: passion and technical mastery, dramaturgical musicality and analysis of historical events translated into the language of theatrical poetry: an intertwinement of darting physical and vocal metaphors.<br>Ariane Mnouchkine, her actors and collaborators recount a period of history spanning the end of the First World War to the beginning of the Second: the Bolshevik Revolution and the civil wars in Europe, the birth of Fascism and Nazism, the emergence of Japanese expansionism in Asia, the pacifist movements, and the rearmament of Hitler&#8217;s Germany and Stalin&#8217;s Soviet Russia.<br>The objective description of historical events is transfigured into a montage of information on different levels, in a simultaneity and succession of sensorial and narrative stimuli. I listen to the musicality of the actors&#8217; different languages \u200b\u200bin playback: Russian, French, English, Japanese. I read the meaning of these sounds on a screen, and my eyes see, on an immense, bare stage, actions that expand, miniaturize, distort events and recreate them theatrically. Like a snake, a platform zigzags through the space, carrying characters on it, sitting in chairs, in a bathtub, arguing animatedly around a table, their arms and torsos tangled together. It&#8217;s a static situation, but the ground slips beneath the protagonists&#8217; feet; the foundations on which they stand seem to open and swallow them up in darkness. Lazily, an immense canvas glides along the floor and engulfs the space, compressing the actors, reacting to their actions and stories with shivers and tremors that turn into an earthquake, a tidal wave, a tsunami that overwhelms them. Scene after scene, the obscene and chilling historical events become metaphors, <em>poetry in space <\/em>in an incessant flurry of details, effects, surprises, colours, tones and gestures. A sensorial and associative flow that makes my nervous system and my memory dance.<br>I thought: this performance is a <em>summa<\/em>. It distils \u00a0the essence of the insights and intuitions of an entire century of theatre: the <em>divine movement<\/em> of Isadora Duncan and Gordon Craig; Sergei Eisenstein&#8217;s <em>montage of attractions<\/em> at the plastic, rhythmic, musical, gestural, and dynamic level; Meyerhold&#8217;s<em> design of movements <\/em>with its <em>grotesque<\/em> that marries laughter and tears; a<em> poor theatre<\/em> devoid of rhetoric and saturated with fragility and violence embracing each other thanks to the knowledge and fervour of the actors and their director. A po-ethic e<em>pic theatre<\/em> and a <em>theatre of the cruelty<\/em> of history.<br>Thank you, Ariane, thank you to each of you who embody the Th\u00e9\u00e2tre du Soleil. You can be proud of your performance: a radiant cathedral in the <em>empty space<\/em> of our age of contempt. With your long history of commitment and professional integrity, you are the <em>dragons<\/em> who stubbornly defend the nobility of our craft and its vulnerable effectiveness.<br>My friends all over the world, take up your staff and become pilgrims. Go visit this living monument in Paris that makes us all proud of our profession.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-black-color has-text-color has-link-color has-medium-font-size wp-elements-12372cc88f50e69b81ee10d9a69776c6 wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Fran\u00e7ais<\/strong><br><strong>FEU AVEC NEIGE<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-black-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-5b05cff4e2beed3501daca8ebcee172a wp-block-paragraph\">Je viens de voir avec Julia Varley <em>Ici sont i les dragons. Deuxi\u00e8me \u00e9poque <\/em>\u00a0du Th\u00e9\u00e2tre du Soleil \u00e0 Paris. C&#8217;est feu avec neige\u00a0: passion et ma\u00eetrise technique, musicalit\u00e9 dynamique et analyse des \u00e9v\u00e9nements historiques traduite dans le langage de la po\u00e9sie th\u00e9\u00e2trale\u00a0: un enchev\u00eatrement de m\u00e9taphores physiques et vocales qui nous saisissent.<br>\u00a0Ariane Mnouchkine, ses acteurs et ses collaborateurs racontent une p\u00e9riode historique allant de la fin de la Premi\u00e8re Guerre mondiale au d\u00e9but de la Seconde\u00a0: la R\u00e9volution bolchevique et les guerres civiles en Europe, la naissance du fascisme et du nazisme, l&#8217;\u00e9mergence de l&#8217;expansionnisme japonais en Asie, les mouvements pacifistes et le r\u00e9armement de l&#8217;Allemagne hitl\u00e9rienne et de la Russie sovi\u00e9tique stalinienne.<br>La description objective des \u00e9v\u00e9nements historiques se transfigure en un montage d&#8217;informations \u00e0 diff\u00e9rents niveaux, dans une simultan\u00e9it\u00e9 et une succession de stimuli sensoriels et narratifs. J&#8217;\u00e9coute la musicalit\u00e9 des acteurs dans les diff\u00e9rentes langues diffus\u00e9es en playback\u00a0: russe, fran\u00e7ais, anglais, japonais. Je lis la signification de ces sons sur un \u00e9cran, et mes yeux voient, sur une immense sc\u00e8ne nue, des actions qui amplifient, miniaturisent, d\u00e9forment les \u00e9v\u00e9nements et les recr\u00e9ent <em>th\u00e9\u00e2tralement<\/em>. Une plateforme serpentant dans l&#8217;espace porte des personnages assis sur des chaises, dans une baignoire, se disputant avec animation autour d&#8217;une table, leurs bras et leurs torses enchev\u00eatr\u00e9s. La situation est statique, mais le sol se d\u00e9robe sous les pieds des protagonistes, les fondations sur lesquelles ils se tiennent semblent s&#8217;ouvrir et les engloutir dans les t\u00e9n\u00e8bres. Paresseusement, une immense toile glisse sur le sol et envahit l&#8217;espace, encapsulant les acteurs, r\u00e9agissant \u00e0 leurs actions et \u00e0 leurs histoires par des frissons et des tremblements qui se muent en s\u00e9isme, en raz-de-mar\u00e9e, en tsunami qui les submerge. Sc\u00e8ne apr\u00e8s sc\u00e8ne, les obsc\u00e8nes et gla\u00e7ants \u00e9v\u00e9nements historiques deviennent des m\u00e9taphores, une <em>po\u00e9sie dans l\u2019espace<\/em> dans un tourbillon incessant de d\u00e9tails, d&#8217;effets, de surprises, de couleurs, de tonalit\u00e9s et gestes. Un flux sensoriel et associatif qui fait danser mon syst\u00e8me nerveux et ma m\u00e9moire.\u00a0\u00a0<br>Je me suis dit : ce spectacle est une <em>summa<\/em>. Il distille l&#8217;essence du savoir et des intuitions de tout un si\u00e8cle de th\u00e9\u00e2tre : le <em>mouvement divin<\/em> d&#8217;Isadora Duncan et de Gordon Craig ; le <em>montage des attractions<\/em> de Sergue\u00ef Eisenstein au niveau plastique, rythmique, musical, gestuel et dynamique ; le<em> dessin des mouvements <\/em>de Meyerhold, avec son <em>grotesque<\/em> qui marie rire et larmes ; un <em>th\u00e9\u00e2tre pauvre<\/em> de rh\u00e9torique et impr\u00e9gn\u00e9 de fragilit\u00e9 et de violence qui s\u2019embrassent gr\u00e2ce au savoir et \u00e0 la ferveur des acteurs et de leur metteur en sc\u00e8ne. Un <em>th\u00e9\u00e2tre \u00e9pique<\/em>t po-\u00e9tique et un <em>th\u00e9\u00e2tre de la cruaut\u00e9<\/em> de l&#8217;histoire.<br>Merci, Ariane, merci \u00e0 chacun d&#8217;entre vous qui incarnez le Th\u00e9\u00e2tre du Soleil. Vous pouvez \u00eatre fiers de votre spectacle : une cath\u00e9drale rayonnante dans l\u2019<em>espace vide<\/em> de notre \u00e9poque de m\u00e9pris. Forts de votre longue histoire d&#8217;engagement et d&#8217;int\u00e9grit\u00e9 professionnelle, vous \u00eates les <em>dragons<\/em> qui d\u00e9fendent avec acharnement la noblesse de notre profession et son efficacit\u00e9 vuln\u00e9rable.<br>Mes amis, prenez votre b\u00e2ton et devenez p\u00e8lerins. Allez visiter ce monument vivant \u00e0 Paris qui nous rend tous fiers de notre m\u00e9tier.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-black-color has-text-color has-link-color has-medium-font-size wp-elements-9f60c2c648e4dbec62dfff3841358ddd wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Italiano<br>FUOCO CON NEVE<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-black-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-e36bf5ff9b88e1320be7ce393d5e8b65 wp-block-paragraph\">Ho appenato visto a Parigi con Julia Varley <em>Ici sont les dragons \u2013 Deuxi\u00e8me \u00e9poque<\/em>,lo spettacolo del Th\u00e9\u00e2tre du Soleil.\u00c8 fuoco con neve: passione e maestria tecnica, musicalit\u00e0 drammaturgica e analisi di avvenimenti storici tradotti nella lingua della poesia del teatro: un intreccio di guizzanti metafore fisiche e vocali.<br>Ariane Mnouchkine, i suoi attori e collaboratori ci raccontano un periodo di storia che va dalla fine della prima guerra mondiale all\u2019inizio della seconda: la rivoluzione bolscevica e le guerre civili in Europa, la nascita del fascismo e del nazismo, l\u2019apparizione dell\u2019espansionismo giapponese in Asia, i movimenti pacifisti e il riarmamento della Germania di Hitler e della Russia sovietica di Stalin.<br>L\u2019oggettiva descrizione dei fatti storici si trasfigura in un montaggio di informazioni a diversi livelli, in una simultaneit\u00e0 e successione di stimoli sensoriali e narrativi. Ascolto la musicalit\u00e0 delle diverse lingue degli attori in playback: russo, francese, inglese, giapponese, leggo su uno schermo il significato di questi suoni, e i miei occhi vedono su una immensa scena nuda azioni che dilatano, miniaturizzano stravolgono gli avvenimenti e li ricreano <em>teatralmente<\/em>. Come un serpente, una piattaforma scivola zigzagando nello spazio con sopra personaggi su una sedia, in una vasca da bagno, discutendo animatamente intorno a un tavolo in un intreccio di braccia e torsi. \u00c8 una situazione statica ma il terreno sfugge sotto i piedi dei protagonisti, le fondamenta su cui poggiano sembrano aprirsi e ingoiarli.Pigramente un immenso telo scivola sul pavimento e inghiotte lo spazio, incapsula gli attori, reagisce alle loro azioni e racconti con brividi, fremiti, tremori che diventano terremoto, mareggiata, tsunami che li travolge. Una scena dopo l\u2019altra, gli osceni e agghiaccianti avvenimenti storici diventano metafore, <em>poesia nello spazio<\/em> in una incessante raffica di dettagli, effetti, sorprese, colori, tonalit\u00e0, gesti. Un flusso sensoriale e associativo che fa danzare il mio sistema nervoso e la mia memoria.<br>Ho pensato: questo spettacolo \u00e8 una <em>summa<\/em>. Distilla l\u2019essenza del sapere e delle intuizioni di un intero secolo di teatro: il <em>divino movimento<\/em> di Isadora Duncan e Gordon Craig; il <em>montaggio delle attrazioni <\/em>di Sergej Eisenstein a livello plastico, ritmico, musicale, gestuale, dinamico; il <em>disegno dei movimenti <\/em>di Meyerhold con il suo <em>grottesco<\/em> che sposa riso e pianto; un <em>teatro povero<\/em> di retorica e saturo di fragilit\u00e0 e violenza che si abbracciano grazie al sapere e al fervore degli attori e del loro regista. <em>Teatro epico<\/em> po-etico e<em> teatro della crudelt\u00e0 <\/em>della storia.<br>Grazie Ariane, grazie a ognuno di voi che incarnate il Th\u00e9\u00e2tre du Soleil. Potete essere orgogliosi del vostro spettacolo: una cattedrale solare nello <em>spazio vuoto<\/em> della nostra epoca del disprezzo. &nbsp;Con la vostra lunga storia di impegno e integrit\u00e0 professionale, voi siete i <em>dragons<\/em> che si ostinano a difendere la nobilt\u00e0 del nostro mestiere e della sua vulnerabile efficacit\u00e0.<br>Amici miei sparsi nel mondo, prendete il bastone e diventate pellegrini. Andate a visitare a Parigi questo monumento vivente che ci rende a noi tutti fieri della nostra professione.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-black-color has-text-color has-link-color has-medium-font-size wp-elements-5e4ddb993bca1942d30fced1ad4c6c25 wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Espa\u00f1ol<br>FUEGO CON NIEVE<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-black-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-03ce2537ebcf99255a3fd429ffab2b1d wp-block-paragraph\">Acabo de ver en Paris junto a Julia Varley <em>Ici sont les dragons. Deuxi\u00e8me \u00e9poque<\/em>, una obra del Th\u00e9\u00e2tre du Soleil. Es fuego con nieve: pasi\u00f3n y maestr\u00eda t\u00e9cnica, musicalidad dramat\u00fargica y an\u00e1lisis de acontecimientos hist\u00f3ricos traducidos al lenguaje de la poes\u00eda teatral: una trama de sueltas met\u00e1foras f\u00edsicas y vocales.<br>Ariane Mnouchkine, sus actores y colaboradores narran un periodo hist\u00f3rico que abarca desde el final de la Primera Guerra Mundial hasta el comienzo de la Segunda: la Revoluci\u00f3n Bolchevique y las guerras civiles en Europa, el nacimiento del fascismo y el nazismo, el surgimiento del expansionismo japon\u00e9s en Asia, los movimientos pacifistas y el rearme de la Alemania de Hitler y la Rusia sovi\u00e9tica de Stalin.<br>La descripci\u00f3n objetiva de los acontecimientos hist\u00f3ricos se transforma en un montaje de informaci\u00f3n en diferentes niveles, en una simultaneidad y sucesi\u00f3n de est\u00edmulos sensoriales y narrativos. Escucho la musicalidad de los distintos idiomas de los actores en playback: ruso, franc\u00e9s, ingl\u00e9s, japon\u00e9s. Leo el significado de estos sonidos en una pantalla, y mis ojos ven, en un escenario inmenso y vac\u00edo, acciones que se expanden, se miniaturizan, distorsionan los acontecimientos y los recrean <em>teatralmente<\/em>. Como una serpiente, una plataforma zigzaguea por el espacio, transportando personajes sobre ella, sentados en sillas, en una ba\u00f1era, discutiendo animadamente alrededor de una mesa, con los brazos y torsos entrelazados. Es una situaci\u00f3n est\u00e1tica, pero el suelo se desliza bajo los pies de los protagonistas; los cimientos sobre los que se apoyan parecen abrirse y engullirlos en la oscuridad. Lentamente, una inmensa lona invade el suelo y engulle el espacio, encapsulando a los actores, reaccionando a sus acciones e historias con escalofr\u00edos y temblores que se convierten en un terremoto, un maremoto, un tsunami que los abruma. Escena tras escena, los obscenos y escalofriantes acontecimientos hist\u00f3ricos se convierten en met\u00e1foras, <em>poes\u00eda en el espacio<\/em> en una implacable r\u00e1faga de detalles, efectos, sorpresas, colores, tonalidades y gestos. Un flujo sensorial y asociativo que hace bailar a mi sistema nervioso y a mi memoria.<br>Pens\u00e9: este espect\u00e1culo es una <em>summa<\/em>. Destila la esencia del conocimiento y las intuiciones de todo un siglo de teatro: el <em>movimiento divino<\/em> de Isadora Duncan y Gordon Craig; el <em>montaje de las atracciones<\/em> de Sergei Eisenstein a nivel pl\u00e1stico, r\u00edtmico, musical, gestual y din\u00e1mica; el <em>dise\u00f1o de los movimientos <\/em>de Meyerhold, con su <em>grotesco<\/em> que fusiona risa y l\u00e1grimas; un <em>teatro pobre<\/em> de ret\u00f3rica y saturado de fragilidad y violencia que se abrazan gracias al saber y el fervor de los actores y su director. <em>Teatro \u00e9pico <\/em>po-\u00e9tico y <em>teatro de la crueldad<\/em> de la historia.<br>Gracias, Ariane, gracias a todos los que encarn\u00e1is el Th\u00e9\u00e2tre du Soleil. Pod\u00e9is estar orgullosos de vuestro espect\u00e1culo: una catedral radiante en el <em>espacio vac\u00edo<\/em> de nuestra era de desprecio. Con vuestra larga historia de compromiso e integridad profesional, sois l<em>os dragones<\/em> que defienden con terquedad la nobleza de nuestro oficio y su vulnerable eficacia.<br>Amigos m\u00edos en todo el mundo, tomen sus bastones y convi\u00e9rtanse en peregrinos. Vayan a visitar este monumento viviente en Par\u00eds que nos llena de orgullo por nuestra profesi\u00f3n.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><br><br><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><br><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>PARIS &#8211; About  &#8220;ICI SONT LES DRAGONS. 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